We've all heard the expression 'chivalry is dead'. Chivalry didn't just go and die on it's own. Feminism's done everything in it's power to destroy it. Many men see no reason to be chivalrous...after all, isn't that what women wanted? Complete and total equality? Despite having been dealt crippling blows, you'll still see men engaging in acts of chivalry. Regardless of their disillusionment with women, some men still end up being chivalrous. They might do it whilst sighing and rolling their eyes, wondering in the back of their minds why they're even bothering, but many still do it. Despite all the villifying and maligning, despite being insulted, belittled, mocked and scorned, many men will still go to the aid of a woman. Honestly, considering the entitlement attitude of many women....I have to shake my head in wonder.
I'm also amazed that so many women, having declared men unnecessary, having mocked and scorned them, having treated them like a dirt....would even think such a thing as chivalry might still be on the table. Why should a man feel the need to take care of, protect and defend someone who has blatantly said, "You are not needed."? I suppose chivalry would be an o.k. thing if a man were honored and respected. As it is......I hardly see why today's 'empowered woman' would expect such a thing from men.
It's not that I'm opposed to the concept of chivalry. The definition I attribute most to chivalry is that it is "based on brave, courteous and honourable behaviour". I think we should All act chivalrously as our abilities allow. While I might be of little use lifting something heavy or fixing a car, I would always try to help someone in need to the extent of my abilities. Chivalry, in my eyes, has more to do with what we expect from ourselves than what others expect of us. My husband is very chivalrous towards me. If we're out shopping and it's cold or raining, he drops me off at the front door so I don't have to walk and then parks the car and walks through the rain and cold himself. Now, I would never expect him to do such a thing, but I imagine that's part of equation. Any act of charity, kindness or benevolence is damaged when it's expected, utterly destroyed when it's unappreciated.
As usual the key element that women miss is that these things have to go both ways. I imagine, if I never lifted a finger to do anything selfless for my husband, if I treated him like with the kind of exasperation and irritation that hallmarks many of today's marriages....he'd be a little less inclined to indulge in these displays of chivalry. We both act according to our abilities to take care of the other. If he knows I have to go somewhere early in the morning, he'll go out and shovel the driveway that night so that I don't have to worry about it, he makes sure he fills the cars up if he knows I'll be driving them so that I don't have to stop and get gas......All these little things that make me amazed at how wonderful he is. By the same token, I go out of my way to do little things I know make him happy, backrubs after work, taking care of things in the morning so he can sleep in, planning his favorite meals.....we act chivalrously towards each other.
As for the widely accepted definition of chivalry, i.e., a man protects and defers to women regardless of how they are treated by said women, that's just out of line with human nature. People need to feel respected and appreciated. People who are treated with scorn and contempt do not feel compelled to aid the person who belittles them. The idea that women are entitled to chivalrous behavior from men, for no other reason than by virtue of their gender is, quite frankly, ridiculous. By it's current and generally accepted definition, chivalry needed to die.
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I know where exactly where you're coming from. In the past few years I've become almost a different person. I've shocked and almost alienated some of my friends with my new "controversial" and "revolutionary" outlook. But you know what? For all the truths that the new men's movement has revealed to me, for all the changes in the way I think, talk, and react to the world around me, I still find myself holding doors open for women. Just my nature, I guess.
Chivalry is great or it WAS anyway. Back when a good man should have been chivalrous because women weren't all about themselves. But that was back when women didn't try to bother with a career and family. Just family. Back when women stayed home always, men felt their role was to provide for his wife and children. Chivalry isn't dead just yet, most men still are somewhat chivalrous, I believe it's in their God given nature to be the protector and provider still. Even though feminists have definitely screwed it all up with their " We can do it ourselves, we don't need YOU" attitude. Well, good, that's right, you don't them so they aren't trying. It boggles me as it seems to you that the same women who go on and on about how much they don't need men and how they want to be treated like men. Then they can't understand why the men aren't treating her like a princess and aren't treating her gently because she's a girl. They want equality and then the boys treat her like one of the boys and she gets frustrated. I know so many people like this. I know of one girl who tells boys all the time that, " men oppress women" and can't understand why the men get irrated and angry with her. Well, duh!
You hit it, why should men need to be chivalrous to miss strong and independent? Don't worry, their's still a few women left who appreciate the chivalrous men. Albeit, very limited few, but still a few. Men and women are supposed to compliment one and another, not take advantage or belittle, that's the way it worked for um, centuries. Up until the feminist movement in the 20th century.
Any act of charity, kindness or benevolence is damaged when it's expected, utterly destroyed when it's unappreciated.
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Damn Kim you nailed it right on the head, and sadly most feminist minded women wouldn't see it...
I was taught by my parents to obey the golden rule: treat others how YOU wish to be treated, and for most of my life I did just that.
But after all of my experiences with the 'modern woman' I just said screw it.
For example I remember the last time I bothered to hold open a door for a woman, it was at the Post Office and instead of saying thank you or at least a courtesy nod I got "Fuck you I coulda done that!"
So, that day any chivalry I had died, I don't know about any other guys, but now any respect I show towards women are the elderly ones who actually seem to appreciate the effort...
Kim, I read one of your posts on www.dumpyourwifenow.com and I want to thank you for your work to prove that there are good men out there. I believe too many women buy feminist doctrine without really thinking about it. I fight for men's rights but I don't hate women by any stretch of the imagination. But I'm furious at what feminism has done to too many women. Keep up the good work and check out a great men's rights blog:
www.glennsacks.com
@ anon
I still find myself holding doors open for women. Just my nature, I guess
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, people should do things to help each other, but they should do it because they want to behave in a kind and courteous manner, not because women are entitled to it by virtue of their gender.
I'm all about charity and acts of kindness, I don't think it's possible for us to be too charitable, it's merely the concept that only women are entitled to such treatment and that only men are expected to do it.
@YLAF
They want equality and then the boys treat her like one of the boys and she gets frustrated.
Yep. When feminists sold women on the concept of equality, they forgot to mention that everything comes with a price. Now women want it both ways, but they don't understand that the two concepts cannot co-exist.
@Anon
So, that day any chivalry I had died, I don't know about any other guys, but now any respect I show towards women are the elderly ones who actually seem to appreciate the effort...
Exactly, a person can only be spit on so many times while doing something nice before they're going to say, "forget it!"
@Stephen
Thanks! I really enjoy Glenn Sacks...I visit his site at least once a week. :-)
Kim,
You've written yet ANOTHER winner! I like it so much I might post it on my blog; this is a great piece of writing.
I can't add anything to it, other than to say that you summed up what many guys, myself included, alread think & feel. For the life of me, I cannot fathom why women would act the way they do, since it's SO counterproductive! As Einstein said, insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly, and expecting a different result. Oh well, women who worship at the Church of Oprah (who herself has issues with men) can rot in hell for all I care. They made their beds; now they can LAY in them and like it.
MarkyMark
@ MarkyMark
Thanks! Feel free to use any of it you'd like. :-)
Kim,
Thank you, I might just take you up on that! Right now, I'm in the middle of updating and organizing my link list; I'm sorting it in alphabetical order as I add on to it. Thanks again!
MarkyMark
Chivlary is not dead.. Its just on life support at the moment!!
I will always treat women as I think is appropriate, its how i was raised by my parents and it seems fair. I never hold women to the same standards as I expect of men, I guess as a product of that, I also tend to regard them as on the whole a rather vapid and self-absorbed gender, but, I expect that and its, well, fine by me..
(Now and then one discovers a woman who has a fully functioning and balanced mind, and then, well, its interesting! But I consider that a bonus.. As I imagine a woman would consider a man who looked her in the eye when she was talking and not at her cleavage a bonus..;)
What is wrong with society now in my view is that chivalry seems to be DEMANDED by women. And, even enshrined in Law for them!!
And they dont even ask nicely..
Under such circumstances, they cant be surprised to find doors slammed in their faces, rather than opened for them..
What is wrong with society now in my view is that chivalry seems to be DEMANDED by women.
Not only demanded and expected by completely unappreciated. Once again, it's that entitlement factor.
With our children, we've stayed away from the whole chivalry concept and instead have promoted concepts of kindness and charity. Unlike chivalry, kindness and charity are not gender specific.
What a shock, the crude, rude comment that Anonymous on the Feb. 8 post got for opening a door. No wonder people want to give up on good manners. That said, true professionals in any area of life, including the area of behavior, act to the best of their ability no matter what those around them do. A person may have to walk through a pigpen but that doesn't mean he has to act like the pigs.
Another point: it is obvious from reading Kim's blog that she is a lady, and from generations past to even today, men have shown respect for a lady by not swearing in front of her.
"Another point: it is obvious from reading Kim's blog that she is a lady, and from generations past to even today, men have shown respect for a lady by not swearing in front of her."
That may be true, but I think it was for another reason in the past. Not the concept of women-as-children, well not in itself, but the concept of women-as-pure, the pedestal thing, where swearing could 'taint' a woman.
That standard of purity is still something taught in society, and a well-known stereotype, it's even considered 'common sense' in a way (and it shouldn't).
It's the one standard that makes any male that so much as pushes a female, will get everyone on his back for it. I'm not arguing that violence is right though, but consider this:
A man is in a bar with a woman, it might be a friend, or a date, or just someone he met that he's getting acquainted with, it matters not. Now, if you see the man using any form of violence against her, everyone will jump him, throw him out, insult him etc, and he might be arrested.
Same situation, but now, the woman is the abuser. What happens? People either don't look, don't care, or they protect the woman and throw out/beat up/arrest the man anyway. He might have people laugh him out, and if he complains at a battered shelter, at the police, at friends, he will probably get laughed at, his pain minimized or ignored, called the abuser himself, told he deserved it (cause he's a man) and the behavior of the abuser left unchecked.
That attitude needs to change. It's not all thanks to feminism, but feminism did nothing to change this either. So they keep the presumption of innocence even in front of outstanding evidence to the contrary. Everyone should protect anyone who needs it as far as they're able to, but not presume innocence or guilt based on their gender. This means that the assaulted guy at the bar is deserving of protection too, deserving of being heard, of being helped, and a fair assessment of the situation.
I think the body of my comment was tangentially related to chivalry (women-as-pure is probably part of it). But here is something directly connected to it.
Some women, despite being rich (like more than upper middle class rich, we're talking mansion rich, and it's not their husband's) will still be demanding chivalry, will still demand the man (whatever the relation they have with him, may he be a simple friend) to pick up the tab and to treat her like a princess, even if she has no intention, whatsoever (as demonstrated by past occurrences) of reprocicating, or even being grateful. She expects it, demands it, and will be outraged if she doesn't get it.
I sincerely hope this is not representative.
I'm a woman myself, and while I could probably go drink at a bar and have a guy pick up the tab, I choose not to go, cause I can't afford it, and find the tactic to be rather cheap (it's a bonus if it happens, but in no way am I going there demanding or expecting it to happen).
If chivalry ain't dead, I'm willing to shank it in the kidneys multiple times to ensure its demise.
There are no longer any convincing argument for chivalry. Let it die.
I have struggled with this concept with our boys. Do be nice to a woman and then only to be treated as worthless in return.
Once it was about ladies & gentlemen, people that care and appreciate each other. Now it's about "me".
I want equality. I want men to open doors for me, pay for my meals be there for me.
Sorry. Treat me with disdain, contempt, abuse me, then why should I do anything for you ? This is where it's heading.
What's even more disappointing is what kind of woman is being raised now ? What chance have our young men got in the future of having a balanced and fair life ?
Why can't people accept that you can't have your cake and eat it too ?
CHIVALRY IS SOOOO IMPORTANT! the way to treat someone is never to get back at them, even if a girl is rude and mean to a boy, he should never do so back, in any situation. turn the other cheek. that is what they should do. you are not going to make someone a better person if you repeat their cruelty back to them.
You seem to be trying to say that it is stupid of boys to still be chivalrious, when the rest of the world has moved on. But really, a man is only being smart when he continues to be chivalrious anyway.
it proves that he is above all that, and that he is smart enough to have figured out that ur not going to help somebody by being cruel back to them.(even if they started it) Chivalry is soooo wonderful! probably what i want most in a man!
also, i think u have something against women. we are not always the evil characters here! i know loads of simply the kindest, sweetes girls ever! who have had horrible guys say such rude things to them, and hurt them, we arn't always the ones who are guilty!
I'm for being nice to everyone equally. Why should women be treated different than men? If someone needs help then help them regardless of their race or gender. If they act like a jerk, then just walk away. It's so simple, really.
thank you , i think it's because of you i have been able to reduce my hatred against women at large. i have tried being chivalrous from time to time but sometimes get appreciated as well. i dont do it on purpose, it happens by nature , i cant help it. but as they say 'the thing you appreciate, appreciates in value' and when you dont it dies.
I think that kindness is something that should be extended to all, regardless of gender. The thing I have a problem with, as far as chivalry is concerned, is the idea that it should only go one direction, that women should only be recipients of kindness and respect, rather than also giving it out.
Let me give you an example from my own life. The college I went to was a VERY crowded one, so there was a sort of unwritten social rule at that school: "Don't drop the door until someone behind you is ready to take it." Because odds were, if you broke the rule, you were going to drop the door in someone's face.
This put me in the habit of holding doors open, as a woman, not just for my fellow women, but for men, too. A lot of times I see men get stuck holding the door for everyone and women acting like it was their due. I don't think it is. I liked it better at school where we all just passed the door off to the next person as we walked, and didn't get hung up over the gender of who was holding the door or who was getting it next.
It surprises men when I hold the door sometimes...and it's sad to see that they are surprised, because in my mind, it's just the courtesy of one human being to another.
BTW, do you have an e-mail address? I had something that based on your blog, I thought you might like. :-)
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